Board Thread:Series Discussion/@comment-71.200.48.223-20150223062605/@comment-68.224.91.76-20150720064009

72.171.16.184 wrote:

68.224.91.76 wrote:

72.171.16.183 wrote: Well you raise a valid appoint about betrayal but inaho showed in that one ep that he believed the enemy of my enemy philosopy at least until slaine pointed the guns at him. And while it was possible that the earth forces would kill him but it was known that saazalbum would kill the princess. I would rather take my chances for the earth forces. If I was slaine i would have grabbed some civvy clothes in that first town and then later ditch the plane and pretended to be a refugee. It would not be hard to find the only flying earth battleship.

In episode 12 she was from behind on the right side near the scapula no vital organs there. The head shot was a graze since she spun instead of her head snapping back. Over course I could just be too detail oriented. Also another fact is remeber the martians are like the goa'uld from stargate god complexes, warmongering and only found the technology from the ancient civilzation they didn't create anything new. If their is one thing I know I would not put my faith in those crazies.

Other than his possesive, and idiotic personality the other thing i don't like about him is the fact that he is a wasted character. I agree that he had the potential to be a really good character but alas the fact is he wasn't and only made me think please get rid of this guy. How is he possessive? It's not like he's doing this so that he can get with the princess. He's doing everything he can in order to fulfill her dream. Do you honestly think that peace can be achieved with just pretty words and ideals? One way or another, you will need to bloody your hands in order to achieve a greater goal. Slaine knows full well that from the beginning of Season 2 that what he is doing is the exact opposite of what Asseylum would want. He's never shown any indication that he's deluded into thinking that the Princess would approve of his methods, or even praise or love him. Slaine never entertained the idea he and the Princess could be together after all he's done; once he achieved his goal, his fate does not matter to him. What mattered to him was the Princess's happiness, and believed that he can achieve her dream by subjugating earth. He believed that she would eventually find happiness even if she disapproved of the methods that were taken to obtain this peace. Slaine believed that Asseylum would be a just ruler, and if she ordered his execution/arrest in the aftermath, it wouldn't matter to him. Stupid is not a good word to describe Slaine; naive would fit that more. What you have to remember is that he's just a 16 year old teenager at the time. He was really sharp for his age, and what he lacks in scientific knowledge(Inaho has this in spades) he makes up for in emotional intelligence and his ability to manipulate others into his own favor. The manipulation talent is something that Inaho does not have; the only reason he was able to do and get away with the things he did was witholding information from others or asking for help. Slaine's only real lapse in judgement was saving Saazbaum during the attack on UFE headquarters. However, one also has to consider that helping Inaho and the Earth forces last time didn't work out so well. It's easy to say he should have trusted Inaho or he should have trusted Cruhteo sooner, but we the audience always know more than what the characters know. Slaine can only rely on what information he had, which is more realistic. Whichever he chose, Slaine knew things wouldn't end well for him. Sorry for the long response, but I have a lot of bottled up feelings concerning Aldnoah. :) While the possessive thing is my opinion based on some observations I made(such as saying she should be a caged bird). But slaine did not have emotional intellegence he flew off the handle alot. Also if he was a clever manipulator he would have let inaho and saazalbum fight to the end and side with the stronger one and his threats would have reduced dramactacally. And if one is old enough to sign up with the arm forces at seventeen then the whole he is only sixteen thing is just false justification. Society expects late teens to make smart choice it is a sign of maturity which slaine did not have. A siding with a scorpion was stupid. The martian society is about to implode on itself. And wiping out most of the populace of earth and making the rest second or third class citizens yeah like that is not going to back fire. So if slaine's crazy plan to make himself and asseylum rulers of earth he would have made the earth hate the princess, the martian nobility hate her, and commoner martians left on mars who would have been manipulated to see her as a traritor since the nobility could easily control information from so far away. So no his plan would have torn everything apart. Anyone who has had history knows that society ruled by monoarchy more often than not ends with a revolution with the nobility getting massacred. the smart choice would have been siding with the earth. And his whole nobility of bringing equality to the people of mars would have ended with the people of the earth in servetude and since martian nobility spun lies abot the people of earth the martian commoners would have acted brutally against them. (And if you notice in the anime the people of earth were never the aggesser) so no slaine is not a tragic hero or noble. And nothing in my statements said that i thought that peace could be achieved without bloodshed but slaines actions were wrong and would have result in more bloodshed than if he had sided with the UFE. Even had he achieved his goal his peace may have lasted half a year at best. And would have placed a even bigger target on the princess. By the end even the princess survived(provide his plan won in the anime)she would have been the ruler of two worlds of nothing but ash. And how do we mature? Is it not through our hardships and mistakes that we learn from them? Slaine's upbringing is different from yours or mine. His only real options were to help the UFE forces or Sauzbaam's forces. It's easy to say he should have done this, or he should have done that, while we, as the audience know more than what the characters know. Hindsight is 20/20. Slaine did pay for his mistake in helping Sauzbaam in what is fittingly called "Childhood's End". In season 2, we see he has learned from being naive and placing trust in the wrong person, and that is how he was able to grow into the leader he was. His hardships taught him to be more level headed in his decisions, and he saw the only way to help achieve the Princess's dream was to conquer earth. Slaine truly believed that Asseylum would be a just ruler, and with the resources of Earth, the common people would not have to turn on the monarchy. If he had sided with the UFE, who's to say there would be less bloodshed? We haven't even encountered half of the amount of Orbital Knight clans, there's still around 20 that we don't know about. The only chance the UFE would have is to try to send a message to the Vers Homeworld, but those transmissions would have to go through the Lunar Base. Sauzbaam isn't the only one to feel the way he does, I doubt many of the Orbital Knights cared about Asseylum.They just wanted war, and Slaine gave them the opportunity to do so. Slaine did the best he could with the knowledge he had, and the tools at his disposal. Damned if you do, Damned if you don't. That's Slaine's position in a nutshell. Anyways, this is just my take on it. You've made a good argument, and I respect that. Different strokes for different blokes. :)